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	<title>Commentaires sur : EULAs as &#171;&#160;get out of jail&#160;&#187; cards</title>
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		<title>Par : Fizzz</title>
		<link>http://www.pressepapiers.net/archives/2003/08/26/eulas-as-get-out-of-jail-cards/comment-page-1#comment-372</link>
		<dc:creator>Fizzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Food for throughts:

You&#039;re ignoring the wish of the customer. A copy of Windows is 100$~300$. Given a copy of the software for 5000$ with guarantees, which one would the average home customer select?

Customers with specific up-time needs negotatiate for more than what the EULA asks. For example, 1 M$ per hour of unexpected down service assuming a 99.9... availability. This works out nicely, it forces the software vendor to ship a higher &#039;quality&#039; solution however it also allows the software vendor to limit the use of the product by the customer. E.g. only specific hardware, drivers, software pieces. 

This wouldn&#039;t work for the general market. The white box PC with unknown components is the best example of looking for trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Food for throughts:</p>
<p>You&#8217;re ignoring the wish of the customer. A copy of Windows is 100$~300$. Given a copy of the software for 5000$ with guarantees, which one would the average home customer select?</p>
<p>Customers with specific up-time needs negotatiate for more than what the EULA asks. For example, 1 M$ per hour of unexpected down service assuming a 99.9&#8230; availability. This works out nicely, it forces the software vendor to ship a higher &#8216;quality&#8217; solution however it also allows the software vendor to limit the use of the product by the customer. E.g. only specific hardware, drivers, software pieces. </p>
<p>This wouldn&#8217;t work for the general market. The white box PC with unknown components is the best example of looking for trouble.</p>
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		<title>Par : Seek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seek</dc:creator>
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		<description>Well I&#039;m not ignoring the tastes of the consumers for low prices but I&#039;m also aware that product liabilities in all other fields don&#039;t prevent companies to find a way to make money. The building code might prevent the dirt cheap housing the consumer would prefer, yet it allows you to have decent rates for insurance and it tries to prevents that your property cause damage to third parties.

If there was no such thing as product liability and failure was the accepted norm, would people be complaining about the high costs of liability? Is Caveat Emptor the ideal doctrine? I think there should be norms regarding what is acceptable and what constitutes negligence or fault on the part of a software manufacturer or individual programmer.

It&#039;s a matter of policy really. Yes there is an economic cost that will be passed on to the end user. But I&#039;m wondering if were not approaching a point were that initial lower cost to the buyer/licensee is offset by the subsequent high costs to society in general.
I found some stats for 2001. http://www.toplayer.com/content/cm/news199.jsp and it seems there is a fairly wide margin to play in.

The issue of Open Source came up: wouldn&#039;t this preclude non-commercial development? Maybe, but I could imagine a doctrine under which, since the end user has way more control and information on a product, having access to the code and all, that the burden of judging the fitness of the product might be partially shifted to the end user.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;m not ignoring the tastes of the consumers for low prices but I&#8217;m also aware that product liabilities in all other fields don&#8217;t prevent companies to find a way to make money. The building code might prevent the dirt cheap housing the consumer would prefer, yet it allows you to have decent rates for insurance and it tries to prevents that your property cause damage to third parties.</p>
<p>If there was no such thing as product liability and failure was the accepted norm, would people be complaining about the high costs of liability? Is Caveat Emptor the ideal doctrine? I think there should be norms regarding what is acceptable and what constitutes negligence or fault on the part of a software manufacturer or individual programmer.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a matter of policy really. Yes there is an economic cost that will be passed on to the end user. But I&#8217;m wondering if were not approaching a point were that initial lower cost to the buyer/licensee is offset by the subsequent high costs to society in general.<br />
I found some stats for 2001. <a href="http://www.toplayer.com/content/cm/news199.jsp" rel="nofollow">http://www.toplayer.com/content/cm/news199.jsp</a> and it seems there is a fairly wide margin to play in.</p>
<p>The issue of Open Source came up: wouldn&#8217;t this preclude non-commercial development? Maybe, but I could imagine a doctrine under which, since the end user has way more control and information on a product, having access to the code and all, that the burden of judging the fitness of the product might be partially shifted to the end user.</p>
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		<title>Par : Discount Perfume</title>
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		<dc:creator>Discount Perfume</dc:creator>
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		<description>They risk setting up a big brother society which is a bad thing. Cool content and thanks for the tips, I&#039;ll be adding them to my Blog real soon.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They risk setting up a big brother society which is a bad thing. Cool content and thanks for the tips, I&#8217;ll be adding them to my Blog real soon.</p>
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